Major Mark Cunningham – Beyond Seduction

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Mark discusses subjects such as in Part 5 of this six-part interview series.

What direction the seduction community should go in the future
Why seduction cannot be an aim in itself How guys push great women away without even recognizing it
Why you must accept responsibility if you want to improve your relationship with women

You may listen to the podcast or read the transcript below.

Part 5 of 6 of the Mark Cunningham interview transcript

Kermit the Frog: You’re listening to Frank Talks Pleasure and Lifestyles, and I’m Frank because it’s necessary. Today I’m in the studio with Mark Cunningham. How are you doing, Mark?

Cunningham, Mark: I’m ok. I’m having fun with this.

Oh, me too, Frank Kermit. I believe this is one of the first seduction-related interviews you’ve done in a long, long time.

Mark Cunningham: That is entirely right. When I stopped performing seduction workshops, many believed I had vanished into the mainstream hypnosis realm.

Kermit the Frog: So, I’d want to ask you a question concerning the seduction community.

Mark Cunningham: Sure thing.

Kermit the Frog: I addressed this with a number of other seduction educators and gurus. What do you anticipate the future of this community will be?

Cunningham, Mark: Well, I can express my preference for where it should go, which is to widen its scope. To put it another way, seduction cannot be an aim in itself. It’s as if you took a small slice of life that wasn’t all that difficult and magnified it into this massive imagined problem and accompanying remedies.

I’d much rather see those who do have something going widen their take out to educate more about what it means to be a guy in a modern society, and especially, once you’ve perfected your seduction abilities and developed yourself to the point where you’re no longer bothered about it, it’s automatic.

So, how do you go about discovering ladies you actually like and incorporating them into your life? What’s it like? How do you care for these women on a regular basis? What types of joys and resources do you have, and what occurs next?

Kermit the Frog: I truly appreciate the direction you’re taking with your ideas. This community has entirely expanded on the issue of pickup. It all comes down to the pickup. It’s all about your next conquest, and one fundamental thing that’s missing, even among some of the instructors and gurus out there, is a lack of relationship management skills, and it amazes me that more people haven’t learned to delve into relationship maintenance because a lot of these well-known gurus are able to collect a lot of numbers, collect a lot of lays. They can amass a large number of women in their lives, but they cannot keep the ladies.

Cunningham, Mark: Frank, I’m delighted you stated that.

Frank Kermit: I’m not going to name names because I’m not foolish.

Mark Cunningham: Absolutely.

Frank Kermit: But, you know, that’s the case. One of the areas of my own work that I concentrate on is relationship management. I mean, the whole reason we’re here is to have relationships with women.

Mark Cunningham: That’s correct.

Frank Kermit: I believe that the majority of men who study seduction do so because they want that one girl who got away, or they want to get a girlfriend, or they want to get married. They don’t want to be by themselves. Some even want to start families.

I fall into that category, and learning seduction and pickup is an excellent first step. You must at least understand the fundamentals of how to initiate a relationship. But how to maintain a relationship is a completely different skill set that I believe is underappreciated.

To be fair, Frank, when a guy can’t imagine walking up to and talking to a woman he actually wants, the idea of, “How do I move through the world, accepting as a matter of course, that highly desirable women will be willing to walk through fire just to make me happy because that’s the best way they want to relate to me,” that’s total science fiction for these guys.

Yes, it would be beneficial if the seduction universe’s role models and leaders addressed the larger issues. So, how do you become fully human, as they say? As a man, how do you navigate the world?

Frank Kermit: You know what, I completely agree, and one of the things, and I’ll say it again, you really like women. You come from a place of genuine love for women, which I believe is lacking in many of the seduction gurus out there who have a deep hatred and frustration with women.

Mark Cunningham: That’s correct, and there’s a small trick I use on guys at seduction seminars. When they were talking about these highly intrusive, overt techniques they were going to use to manipulate women, I would start using them on the guys in the seminars and it would inevitably cause an uproar in the seminar while it was still going on, “Why are you treating me like this? Why are you attempting to dupe me? Why are you squeezing me? “What are you doing slamming me?” And I’d explain what they were doing, and they’d be dumbfounded, so I’d say, “Well, isn’t it okay that I do these things to you?” And they say, “Well, no.” “Why would you treat me this way?” “Well, why would you treat a woman like that?” I ask. “How do you think she’ll respond to you?”

Many of the intrusive, heavy-handed techniques are actually screening techniques. You drive away the good women, and the only ones who respond are the weak and damaged women who are willing to put up with that kind of nonsense.

Kermit the Frog: Yes, indeed. When I run into… and this is some advice I’m going to ask from you directly here. When I run into a guy who is just got an incredible amount of hatred for women, I can understand it. I can understand where he’s coming from. My autobiography from Loser to Seducer, when I had hit rock bottom, I certainly didn’t have a lot of love in my heart for women at that time.

Mark Cunningham: That’s correct.

Frank Kermit: I can understand it. I can relate to it. It is a frustration that completely takes over. At this point, what I tell a guy is, “Yeah, you are frustrated, but that’s just because it’s your own fault. You have to take responsibility for it, and you’ve got to remember that in the end, if when you want is a relationship, any relationship built on hate is not going to be relationship worth having in the long run.

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